Leather Wall Panels?

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Author Message Tracy Van Niel Senior Member Username: tracy_van_niel Post Number: 176 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:27 am:    No section number currently exists for leather wall panels ... any suggestions on location? Division 06? 09? Other? Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 359 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:15 am:    How are they applied - like a wall covering or like wood paneling? What type of skill/workmanship is required? Richard Howard, AIA CSI CCS Senior Member Username: rick_howard Post Number: 80 Registered: 07-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:26 am:    I would suggest using a number subordinate to 09 72 00 if applied directly as a wall covering or 09 77 00 if fastened to framing or a panel material. David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 666 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:10 pm:    Shouldn't it be "Leather Wall Paneling"? Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, MAI Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 256 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:24 pm:    I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to see when "Spandex Wall Paneling" will be specified. One note of caution: Per the 2003 IBC, the leather WILL need to be applied to a noncombustible backing, and the leather itself will need to have either a Class A, B, or C classification, depending on whether or not the building is sprinklered, the occupancy classification of the space where it is installed, and if it's part of an egress component (corridor, stairway, passageway, etc.). Refer to Chapter 8 and Table 803.5. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:38 pm:    Several years ago we specified leather-covered doors for a renovation project. We did require a Class A designation for both the leather and the plywood substrate. I believe that they ended up using leather that was FAA-approved for use in airplane seats (which is at least as stringent as a Class A flame spread). Spandex wall covering--that's a stretch. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 360 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:41 pm:    Bad David, bad boy! Tracy Van Niel Senior Member Username: tracy_van_niel Post Number: 177 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 02:48 pm:    Thanks to all for the great input. This is a situation where it's a leather covered paneling. It's based on a Spinneybeck system but what they consider to be a system description really isn't and, of course, there is no section number identified. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 361 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:25 pm:    Because the leather is being applied to the panel off site, and it's the panel that is being installed by the contractor on site, I'd put it in Division 6 - maybe 06 4221 Leather-Faced Wood Paneling? Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, MAI Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 257 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:34 pm:    My suggestion would be Section 09 77 33 "Leather-Wrapped Panels". My reason for placing it here is that the description under 09 70 00 states "wall finishes applied over solid substrates." And, the level 2 number of 77 is for "Special Wall Surfacing", which I think we all can agree that this case is. Even if it's not "wrapped" as my title suggests (just trying to stay consistent with the "Fabric-Wrapped Panels" in 09 77 23), I still think this is the most appropriate location. Chris Grimm, RLA, CDT, MAI, CSI Senior Member Username: tsugaguy Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 03:53 pm:    If you look up leather in the keyword index in the back of the hardcopy MF04 book, it suggests 09 72 00 Wall Coverings as the place to describe leather wall coverings. If the leather will be applied at the factory, you could place a reference in a Division 06 paneling Section to say look in Division 09 Section Wall Coverings for..., same as you might do for shop applied paints or coatings on steel. Or you could write a section just for this type of assembly and stick it all in division 06 like Lynne suggests. With a flexible system there are really a lot of different ways you could do it. Way to go Lynne, using the recommended spacings of 3 guideline! (13, 16, 19, ...21). Better still, skip a bit further, to 23, 26, 29 each time you get to a new 10's digit (bottom of page 4 ;-)