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Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEEDŽ AP
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Post Number: 246
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 11:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Of course, this never happens to anyone that I know.

http://architexts.us/2015/01/21/construction-administration-furnish-and-install/
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1946
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 11:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Well, if the contractor can figure out a way to "install" the product being provided without nails, then he's correct.
Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEEDŽ AP
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Username: ecwhitby

Post Number: 247
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Super glue and duct tape?
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
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Post Number: 1947
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Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

construction adhesive...
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
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Post Number: 781
Registered: 11-2004


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Most products have manufacturer's installation instructions that include fasteners. That's why "Comply with manufacturer's written instructions" appears in Part 3 of most sections.
Richard Gonser AIA CSI CCCA SCIP
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Username: rich_gonser

Post Number: 87
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Chewing gum and bailing wire...
Curt Norton, CSI, CCS
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Username: curtn

Post Number: 197
Registered: 06-2002


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Too funny! I just finished explaining to my consulting engineer that provide means furnish and install.
Robert E. Woodburn, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 12:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

provided, however, that the context may indicate otherwise...
Sheldon Wolfe
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Post Number: 819
Registered: 01-2003


Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 02:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Which suggests the context should be revised.
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
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Post Number: 1614
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2015 - 02:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

This isn't exactly a furnish and install story, but it's in the same vein of contractor ridiculousness. A contractor on a multi-family project was embroiled in a soils dispute with the owner, and decided to stick it to them whenever he could. The hardware spec failed to specify a finish for the hinges, so he decided to provide primed hinges rather than ask what was needed and provide that. He was pleased with himself until I showed him the painting spec which required all primed surfaces to be painted. Of course, up until then, he had managed to paint the doors and frames but not the hinges. He was even angrier after that, but this guy let his anger cloud his better judgement every day.
Guest (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 05:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Whose Div 01 sections say "provide", e.g., submittals, schedules, documentation, etc.? If so, how does one "furnish and install" a submittal, a schedule...or any documentation for that matter? :-)
Curt Norton, CSI, CCS
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Username: curtn

Post Number: 198
Registered: 06-2002


Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 07:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

If you define the term properly, it won't be an issue:

The term "provide" as used in the Project Manual in connection with labor, materials, and equipment means pay for, furnish, and install, complete; including connecting to utilities or service, complete anchorage and suspension, fastening or anchor devices, trim, finish and other related work, unless specifically specified otherwise.
Richard Gonser AIA CSI CCCA SCIP
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Username: rich_gonser

Post Number: 90
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 08:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Obviously you don't install a shop drawing.

Though they might be usable for some tacky wallpaper...or gift wrap.
Guest (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2015 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I was being facetious...of course. But I had recent public project owner who "bled" all over my AIA MasterSpec-based Div 01 sections that said to "provide" submittals and other forms of documentation. Their GC's defined the term...and to them, it was "wrong" to use. Although I think they are/were overly "anal"...and I realize why. Having been a previous employee of that public entity, I saw that they were "gutless" in their contract admin (of RFI's. and C.O.'s) and relented to (Contractor's) almost every claim.
J. Peter Jordan
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Post Number: 797
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 10:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Guest's implication that MasterSpec does not use the term "provide" in relation to submittals is correct (I wanted to look it up to be sure). The phrase is "Submit [insert type of submittal]...", and is used in relation to any related actions (not just those in the "Submittal Procedures" section. I guess you could say "Prepare and submit...", but I don't know how you submit something that you haven't prepared; uh, wait, I have seen submittals that did not look like they had been prepared.

MasterSpec (and many other guide specifications) define "Provide" as "furnish and install" as well as "furnish" ("Supply and deliver to Project site...) and "install" (Unload, temporarily store, unpack, assemble, erect, place, anchor, apply, work"...).

If I remember correctly, the common sense definition of "furnish" is "provide" so clear definition of the ways that these words are used in the Project Manual is needed.

By the way, AIA A 201 used to define "Project Manual", but this definition has gone away.
Sheldon Wolfe
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Post Number: 820
Registered: 01-2003


Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 06:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

01-3300
Deliver submittals to...

Other sections
Submittals:
Item 1
Item 2
Item 3

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