Plam Toilet Partitions

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Author Message Don Harris CSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: don_harris Post Number: 315 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 05:57 pm:    An outside interiors firm, at the last minute, switched from stainless to Plam for a high rise multi-family project. I can only find one manufacturer that claims to have a Class B flame spread. A couple say Class C and the rest seem to be silent, hoping to get specified and get the Architect sued. Am I missing something or is the Plam the wrong product? In your experiences, is Plam an acceptable product for hi-rise multi-fam? I'm just asking about flame spread, not durability. Thanks in advance. Anonymous (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 07:59 pm:    Where is the requirement for Class A or B flame spread coming from in this situation? The only time I've run into an issue for flame spread on toilet partitions is for hospitals complying with NFPA 101. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1954 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 08:48 pm:    I've never had a problem with Plam codewise, however its not a very durable material, for multifamily work. My biggest client only does rental multi-family, all of their toilet partitions are now conventional construction, gyp board over steel studs. Just issued specs on a 26 story mixed use, retail on first floor. I have another 25 story under construction, both Ft Lauderdale. Ronald J. Ray, RA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP, AIA Senior Member Username: rjray Post Number: 190 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 09:05 pm:    Hi Don. I would suggest obtaining test reports on any particle board core/ plastic laminate clad toilet partition claiming to be Class B or C. I can’t help but wonder if the interior designer really wanted phenolic toilet partitions, which are Class B, and can look very similar to plastic laminate partitions. J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 1067 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2019 - 11:24 pm:    I would echo the question from Anon., especially if the project is sprinklered. J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1524 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 12:40 am:    I don't know what code your project is under, but I don't believe the table has changed significantly since the 2009 IBC. Since you're referring to a multifamily project, the building is required to be sprinklered throughout, so rooms and enclosed spaces only require a Class C finish in all occupancies except for I-2 and I-4. Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Paul Sweet (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 12:41 pm:    The definition of Interior Wall and Ceiling Finish in IBC Chapter 2 includes toilet room privacy partitions. PLAM is OK for partitions & doors as long as brackets & hinges are through-bolted, but pilasters should be stainless. Don Harris CSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: don_harris Post Number: 316 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 01:43 pm:    Thank you all for the insight. Much appreciated.