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David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 1549
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 12:50 pm: |    |
The acoustical wall panel subcontractor commented that the stain resistance treatment applied to the fabric will actually attract dust/dirt. He said that the panel will initially look nice but will then be hard to clean. I contacted the fabric manufacturer, Guilford of Maine, who said they have never of problems with their applied stain resistance treatment.
Does anyone have experience with applied stain resistance on wall fabrics?
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 312
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 03:08 pm: | |
David,
Most stain resistant chemicals are highly fluorinated chemicals, which are harmful to human health. Here's a link to information about these chemicals from a reputable scientific website: http://greensciencepolicy.org/highly-fluorinated-chemicals/
Let's also think about risk. What exactly is being spilled on a wall surface that they need stain resistance? If the Owner is concerned about stains and spills on the wall, then there should be a more durable surface applied there. Why add extraneous chemicals at all?
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Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1742
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 03:59 pm: | |
Building Desing+Construction daily news blog topic:
Should antimicrobial building products be avoided? |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1743
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 04:01 pm: | |
Blog article sites a Perkins+Will White Paper, I am off to a meeting will have to read it later. Coincidence? |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 253
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2017 - 04:47 pm: | |
I firmly believe that antimicrobial additives are not good. They contribute to breeding superbugs. They do not solve any problem. Many have harmful effects on health.
The possible exceptions are "natural" animicrobials like copper.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru 818-219-4937 |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
Senior Member
Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1704
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 11:39 am: | |
Stain resistant treatments are not the same as anti-microbials. I see little reason for the first on a wall panel, but in a hospital, I see potential for the second. |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 254
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 09, 2017 - 02:27 pm: | |
John: What is the potential you see in anit-microbials? They do not prevent the transmission of disease. They do not prevent odor. They do not simplify housekeeping. They are not endorsed, to the best of my knowledge, by any creditable standards writing organization.
On the other hand, they have the potential to create false confidence. And they have been associated with the evolution of increased virility in microbes.
I have written about this at tinyurl.com/gtqxgcc
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru 818-219-4937 |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
Senior Member
Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1706
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 11, 2017 - 03:01 pm: | |
I haven't researched the topic. But I do think that anti-microbial soaps and hand treatments are way overused on the personal and residential level in particular. We'll see if ongoing research on the human gut biome demonstrates that we need to get some germs in us.
My thinking regarding my comment above was in locations with high risk of infections - hospitals - using silver plating on high contact areas and similar treatments. Do you know if any of this works? or is in widespread use? |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 255
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2017 - 01:58 am: | |
PLEASE
Watch this video from the British Royal Institution about Antimicrobial Resistance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H_Ox1vVnTc
Short summary:
1. Available antibiotics are rapidly losing effectiveness as microbes evolve.
2. We can not count on new antibiotics becoming available soon.
3. This is a global crisis on par with climate change, yet receiving scant attention.
4. Antibacterial compounds on architectural surfaces are not the major contributor, but it would be wrong to dismiss them. Besides, they are not effective and soap and water is more effective.
The problem with antimicrobial resistance is that it undermines most of modern medicine. Surgery, cancer treatments, and all sorts of medicine we take for granted will cease to exist.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru 818-219-4937 |
Sheldon Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: sheldon_wolfe
Post Number: 958
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2017 - 05:09 am: | |
https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/article/kaiser-permanente-rejects-antimicrobials-for-infection-control/ |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 313
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 13, 2017 - 11:05 am: | |
I've been researching and speaking about what we can do as Architects, designers, and specifiers to reduce toxic chemicals in our buildings. Here are some additional resources for your education:
The Six Classes Challenge is an innovative project that aims to decrease the use of entire classes of harmful chemicals in everyday products by 50% over five years. Applying this visionary approach, major businesses are already beginning to meet the challenge. This could lead to a dramatic reduction in cancer and in hormonal, neurological, and reproductive impairments for a healthier world.
http://www.sixclasses.org/antimicrobials/
The Healthier Hospitals Initiative (HHI) was originally founded by twelve of the largest, most influential U.S. health systems, comprising over 500 hospitals with more than $20 billion in purchasing power, along with Practice Greenhealth, Health Care Without Harm and the Center for Health Design to create a guide for hospitals to reduce energy and waste, choose safer and less-toxic products, and purchase and serve healthier foods.
http://healthierhospitals.org/hhi-challenges/safer-chemicals#resources
The Healthy Green Campus Project was founded in 2014 by the Silent Spring Institute in collaboration with Professors John Spengler and Joseph Allen at the Center for Health and the Global Environment at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health and with Harvard University’s Office for Sustainability. The idea for the project emerged from a desire to change the way people think about the pursuit not only of a “green” environment, but also one that sustains human health. By merging the two concepts, we hope to create a healthier environment in which communities can live and thrive for generations to come.
http://silentspring.org/healthygreencampus/project/the-trouble-with-triclosan/
Let me know if you want to talk about this more. I could go on for hours, literally.
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