Planar Glazing

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Author Message Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1689 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 02:32 pm:    Writing a spec for Planar Glazing, anyone have experience on this, manufacturers, where to find a base spec? Richard Howard, AIA CSI CCS LEED-AP Senior Member Username: rick_howard Post Number: 293 Registered: 07-2003 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 04:31 pm:    We have used this type of glazing on several projects and specified the following manufacturers: Innovative Structural Glass JE Berkowitz Linel Pilkington Planar System by W&W Glass Systems RBI Structures (Cincinnati) Waltek & Company You can download a base spec here: http://www.structuralglass.com/cs.php Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1690 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 04:55 pm:    Thanks Richard, I spoke to the SE US Sales Mgr for Pilkington who in turn suggested I contact their preferred Glazing Contractor, W+W Glass, Chris from W+W advised they have never worked on a project south of Orlando. I will have to contact the other fabricators on your list. In So Fl the manufacturer must have a Product Approval or NOA, depending on what the Building Official will accept. Any product can be tested for use in So FL, its a pricey and lengthy process and w/o the Product Approval a permit may not be issued. Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS SCIP Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 08:34 am:    Jerome: My SSG curtain wall master includes provisions for Pilkington Planar and Innovative Structural Glass. I'll email you a copy in case it would be of use. Jeffrey Wilson CCS CSI SCIP Wilson Consulting Inc Ardmore PA Brett Scarfino (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2016 - 11:41 am:    One should be concerned with the ability of the structural glass mullions to survive impact, assuming its not cable/truss/steel tube supported system. If the point support fixing or perhaps the centerline of structural glass mullion takes a direct hit, the framing members may be compromised where subsequent pressure cycles may cause failure. I also understand that there is a reluctance to use the high performance laminates with such systems as they are very "tough"; fabrication difficulties. I was under the impression that Miami-Dade hosts NOA reports as a searchable database. You might try searching there. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1699 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2016 - 01:02 am:    Bret, Planar Glazing systems are not included in the Miami-Dade County NOA database nor the Florida Product Approval database, still a product can be used if independently tested by an approved entity, an expensive and lengthy process. I brought up the lack of approval to my client, still they are retaining the system in the project manual. Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 645 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2016 - 03:31 pm:    Jerome, I have a couple large projects in S FL that has all kinds of non-approved features, including all glass storefronts. My clients are going with the submittal of calcs by an engineer approach for everything. So far, so good Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1700 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2016 - 04:21 pm:    Robin, your clients must be from out of state, locals try to avoid paying for special engineering. Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 646 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 02:26 pm:    They are local, but the projects are very design oriented. The all-glass storefront was a big item, so we spent a lot of time trying to find something with an approval that would work and couldn't, so the calcs/rational analysis is the way they are going. Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 647 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2016 - 02:27 pm:    I should add, i don't think it is going to work, for various reasons, one being the challenges of using laminated glass in all-glass structures