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Author Message Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1052 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 11:49 am:    Does anyone have experience with this manufacturer of Intumescent Paint - seems almost too good to be true, I especially like that there is apparently no compatibility problems with primers on steel. J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 673 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 12:36 pm:    I looked at their website and saw testing with results that would imply that there were UL Design Number available, but did not see any design numbers. Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 433 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 12:55 pm:    They are not listed at the ICC Evaluation Report Service website. That would be a deal breaker for several AHU's we deal with for building permits. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1184 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 01:27 pm:    I'll be upfront and say I'm not a fan of Contego based on past experience. The tests they had conducted at the time (this was around 2008) were "modified" ASTM E 119 and when I asked for test reports they hemmed and hawed and I never got them; thus, I didn't specify them. However, it seems that they have grown up a bit since then and have full ASTM E 119 tests conducted. The IBC does not require UL or any other assemblies from a "directory." What it does require is testing per the referenced standard. The Contego product is limited in applications regarding duration and type of material being protected, so if the testing backs up the proposed application (i.e. a beam test for a beam application) and the time duration exceeds the required duration, then it should be approved, whether or not it is a UL assembly or has an ICC-ES evaluation report. Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Mark Gilligan SE, Senior Member Username: mark_gilligan Post Number: 640 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 01:30 pm:    The 2013 IBC deals with intumescent coatings in IBC sections 603.1, 722.5 and 1705.14. As long as the manufacture can provide test data to show compliance with the requirements in the IBC the AHJ has to accept the use of the product. Any Building official requiring ICC evaluation reports is definitely exceeding his authority. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1053 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 02:24 pm:    I spoke to Tony Scott at Contego, we had a long conversation even though he was in Newfoundland freezing. Tony welcomed any inquiry, had some good things to say about Colin, and I see Contego is a subscriber to 4specs. For anyone interested, Tony (I think he is the CEO) can be reached on his cell at 317-432-0665. Tony promised me a package of information and a sample kit. He also advised that the reason I had not heard of them was because they had not marketed to the private sector, nor do they have a sales force, relying on word of mouth for referrals. I am particularly impressed by the product's compatibility with virtually any primer, its low millage application thickness, its high solids content and subsequent low VOC,; but I've been duped before, so I am doing my due diligence before adding them to my approved manufacturer's list.