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Author Message Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 01:12 pm:    Anyone know of a commercial overhead door that can accommodate a 1" thick insulating glass unit? Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 01:18 pm:    This full-view aluminum one is standard with 1/2" insulating glazing unit. Not exactly what you are looking for, I know, but might be worth giving them a call to see if they could do 1". http://www.wayne-dalton.com/commercial/aluminum-doors/Pages/model-452.aspx Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 01:24 pm:    Thanks. Placed a call to Wayne Dalton HQ in Texas and left a message. We'll see if I get a response. Bill Alan Mays, AIA Senior Member Username: amays Post Number: 205 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 01:35 pm:    The real question is 1” really required? Weight will be an issue if the doors are manual and may affect the number of cycles if they are motorized. If the doors are being used as a conditioned space door instead of a garage door, then I would suggest that you verify your energy code to see if they are affected by that code. I personally had this come up in California when a subcontractor that did not get the bid contacted the building department stating that he had the only garage door that was allowed by code as a conditioned door. He actually was right but there were ways to get the doors that were installed rated as a fenestration. It delayed the C of O by at least 3 months. Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 02:26 pm:    Thanks for the feedback and comments Alan. Well stated. Without going into great detail, the architect is attempting to meet code requirements via the prescriptive path, which limits some of their options. I'm with Guardian glass and have reviewed/evaluated the available standard options but it just isn't possible to meet the code with a 1/2" overall IGU. Options include getting a door that will handle 1" IGU, using Pilkington Spacia Vacuum Insulating Glass, using Kryton gas fill, or running all the numbers for the building using the performance path rather than prescriptive. I'm just trying to help the architect with a search to see if a door system does exist that will work with 1". Door size opening is roughly 14' X 14' and most of the sections are glass (at least desired). Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1943 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 02:31 pm:    Would plexiglas make a difference? Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 03:00 pm:    Thanks for the idea but this needs to be a sealed insulating unit. Plexiglass/polycarbonate doesn't work for sealed units. Vapor transmission will occur. Glass clad polycarbonates work for sealed units but not polycarbonate alone. Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 462 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 06:00 pm:    We did a similar search recently for a VE substitution for our preferred and expensive side-sliding and folding glazed wall system. We did not find a system that went beyond 1/2-inch IGU's. We are running the energy calculations so we could have made the 1/2-inch units work. But we became more concerned with air intrusions at all of the joints in the system, and extremely worried about water intrusion at the sill. In the end, the side sliding expensive European system didn't look too bad when compared to a system that required a power operator and our own requirement as the Architect that a overhead door would need a trench drain across the full width on the exterior side. Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 06:13 pm:    Thanks for the insight Steven, even if your lack of success in finding an overhead door that will accept 1" glazing is NOT what I wanted to hear. :-) Colin Gilboy Senior Member Username: colin Post Number: 390 Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 07:00 pm:    From one of our advertisers: I have a suggestion and would like to offer you our solution. bp - Glass Garage Doors is the ONLY garage door in the World that has been Certified for Air Infiltration, Water Infiltration, has U-Factor, and spectral data to offer its clients. Our data is also certified by the NFRC, AAMA, and ATI - Architectural Testing Lab. You as the Architect, must specify the type of glass used, then can verify the U-Factor, VT, and related specification. Please go to the NFRC website and choose your glass: http://search.nfrc.org/search/cpd/cpd_search_detail.aspx?cpdnum=BPC-A-1 You can also visit our website for more information. http://www.glassgaragedoors.com/ Rob Reyes General Manager bp - Glass Garage Doors & Entry Systems, Inc. P: 626-442-1716 Colin Gilboy Publisher, 4specs.com 435.200.5775 - Utah 800.369.8008 Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 07, 2015 - 07:22 pm:    Thanks to all for your comments. I believe the architect has found a solution with a company they located on their own called Arm-R-Lite in New Jersey. http://www.arm-r-lite.com/contact-us/. As I'm sure you all realize and several of you commented, there is much more to be concerned with than just the thickness and performance of the glass including air and water infiltration, ease of operation, long term durability, and appropriate code compliance credentials (NFRC, etc). My role is not to evaluate or comment on any of that except as it relates to glass, of course. One of 4Specs.com advertising company is BP Glass Garage Doors & Entry Systems in California. http://www.glassgaragedoors.com/. While they don't make a system that will handle 1" glazing, I will say that Julio in their sales department was very helpful and knowledgeable. Signing off from this discussion now.........Bill Anonymous (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2015 - 11:10 am:    This may be too late, but I believe I've seen options for 1-inch glazing units in guide specs from Renlita Doors. It's a stretch, and obviously would need to be verified, but maybe another manufacturer your Architect would want to check out. J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 794 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2015 - 01:24 pm:    I was going to mention Renlita Doors as a viable abeit expensive option. This is not a standard sectional door, but they would come closer to satisfying all the energy code requirements. Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2015 - 10:29 pm:    Thanks "Anonymous" and Peter for the suggestion about Renlita. I'll pass that on to the architect. Bill William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 927 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Thursday, January 08, 2015 - 10:52 pm:    Bill, I will back up the suggestion for Renlita as well. I have used their doors on 2 separate projects for fire station doors here in DC. Expensive, yes, but really nice doors. Reason for the additional expense was the look since (if it can be believed) one fire station occupies part of the ground floor of a high rise hotel, the other shares the ground floor of a high rise apartment building. Three is also "Electric Power Door", a company that has several different models, and due to some configuration requirements is also specified on both of those projects. William William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS, SCIP Affiliate WDG Architecture, Washington, DC | Dallas, TX Bill Coady CSI, CCPR Senior Member Username: billcoady Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Friday, January 09, 2015 - 11:01 am:    Thanks William. Bill Richard Gonser AIA CSI CCCA SCIP Senior Member Username: rich_gonser Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 04:30 pm:    One just cam across my desk that I had not seen before from SCGA Doors Division of Smoke Guard. Until today I didn't know they had such a division. http://www.sgcal.com/products/sgca-doors A product data sheet indicates they have 1" insulating glass on their tilt door. It might be worth a look. Ever hear of a vertical stacking door? They appear to have one.