Has Anyone Ever Specified Pavegen Tiles?

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Author Message Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1514 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 01:46 pm:    On a project I'm specifying, the architect has requested Pavegen tiles (http://www.pavegen.com/) at the lobby. These are pavers that generate power as people walk across them. The company is very paranoid about letting out information, so if I don't get any information from them, then I'll have to create my own and it will be very, very short. Some questions: (1) Where in MF would you specify? (2) If you have specified it, would you mind sharing your section? Thanks! Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP David J. Wyatt, CDT Senior Member Username: david_j_wyatt_cdt Post Number: 267 Registered: 03-2011 Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 03:21 pm:    Maybe this will help us resolve the Big Foot question once and for all. Guest (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - 05:14 pm:    Since it's overlaid with "commercial vinyl," my guess is that flooring sub would install? If so, then Div 09 resilient flooring is where sub would look for the spec? Not too much unlike static control flooring that requires coordination with electrical for grounding, this flooring will need to coordinate connection to both power and control circuits? Gail Ann J. Goldstead, AIA, CSI, CDT, LEED AP, BD+C Senior Member Username: ggoldstead Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2015 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 10:10 am:    Ron, I looked at the Pavegen website. It's very opaque. They are UK based. I'm curious if you contacted Pavegen and asked them if they have a CSI 3-part formatted manufacturer's guide spec? We are working with MEP engineers and other architects right now from UK for a project in the Middle East and we are all using CSI 3-part formatted specs, so I think it's possible the manufacturer may have a guide spec. Though MasterFormat 2016 has a Section: 09 33 19 Conductive Paver Tiling, it seems they have very little for energy generating materials. Then there is the connection to the electric grid. Owners often want commissioning etc. It seems that these types of materials are a huge land mine for architects. I hope you keep us updated, thanks, Gail Goldstead Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1515 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 01:49 pm:    Since the project deadline is rapidly approaching, I just prepared a very generic section and put it in 09 62 00 "Specialty Flooring" (I probably could have created a Level 3 number specific for this system, but decided against it). According to the architect, "They expect signature in blood before the[y] reveal anything." And what I got from the architect from them wasn't much. I don't believe the system will be connected to the grid. It seems like it's connected to lights or other elements independent of commercial power. The power generated appears to be very insignificant, and per this article (http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/pavegen-kinetic-technology-powers-christmas-lights), 54,267 steps produced only 217,068 watt seconds, which is only 0.06 kWh. A typical photovoltaic panel (1 panel) can produce about 4 kWh per day and the Pavegen panels apparently have been installed for a few days (apparently) in the height of the Christmas shopping season. My guess is that it will eventually get VE'd out or kept just for the novelty of it, but it won't have a significant impact on the building's energy usage. Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 245 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2018 - 02:04 pm:    Ron, I've found that the time I've spent creating spec sections from scratch for unusual items is indirectly proportional to the time the GC and owner spend considering the items before they get VE'd out of the project. So, good call on the generic spec section.