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Author Message user (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 10:59 am:    From a consultant this morning, I received a new "technical" term - like, kind and quality. This is a re-roofing project. Under articles entitled MATERIALS, FABRICATION, and FINISH the following is added "TO BE OF LIKE, KIND AND QUALITY." Searching through the remainder of section, there is no definition offered for this term. And, under all three articles, paragraphs specify quality of materials, quality of fabrication and type of finish. Has anyone else encountered this term? Margaret G. Chewning FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: presbspec Post Number: 299 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 11:21 am:    sounds like a weasel phrase to me Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 995 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 11:32 am:    Looks like an errant comma; "like kind and quality" makes sense. Not precise, perhaps, but as good as the ubiquitous "match existing." Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 844 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 11:38 am:    Another way of saying MATCH EXISTING ROOFING SYSTEM MATERIALS or "in like kind and quality." Remove the coma betwen like and kind. A description of the existing roofing system components is required. Go to http://www.wbdg.org/FFC/VA/VAASC/VA07015019.pdf for the VA masterspec for preparation for re-roofing. There you may find more appropriate language. There is more to this than "like kind and quality." There may be more to the reroofing. Such as asbestos removal, replacement deck and parapet sheathing, new sheet metal flashings and trim. Wayne Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 341 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 01:13 pm:    One definition of "like" is "having the same characteristics or qualities as". For concision, you can omit "kind and quality" as superfluous words. The new work would then be "like existing." To paraphrase Sheldon, "concise, perhaps as good as the ubiquitous 'match existing'." What's not to like about that? Alternatively, "like" is also defined as, "used in speech as a meaningless filler or to signify the speaker's uncertainty about an expression just used." Like, you know like what that means. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937 www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 996 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 07:02 pm:    VA 07 01 50.19, 2.1A. Patching Materials: Match existing roofing system materials. Like, yeah, man; they say it so much better... Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 343 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 07:29 pm:    How do you qualify whether this means to match the materials as they were when new, or match materials in their aged condition? Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937 www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 997 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 10:07 pm:    Perhaps there's a market for aged materials. Get in on the ground floor! Bruce Konschuh Senior Member Username: brucek Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2014 Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 05:31 pm:    I use "match existing adjacent finishes" where new finishes need to match old ones. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 862 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 05:46 pm:    Bruce, I agree the existing is the standard of quality for the new work. Unless of course the existing requires refurbishing then it needs to be brought up the standard of quality for the new work. After consulting the eye of the owner/beholder and his available $'s. David J. Wyatt, CDT Senior Member Username: david_j_wyatt_cdt Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2011 Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 09:04 am:    The phrase comes from a time when common sense and trust prevailed in construction contracting. Now there is a greater need for precision in language so that the project requirements are enforceable. This isn't necessarily sad or bad, because it makes us do our work better.