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Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 111
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 11:59 am: |    |
I have to admit, I have been known to roll my eyes when I see posts that ask where a product should be specified because imho, it usually doesn't matter as long as it is referenced clearly and a minimum amount of logic is used.
So here I am asking something similar.
In my case, I have a standalone spec section that covers typically foreign trips to inspect stone quarries and dry layout procedures. It is a separate section, because the stone could show up in Division 4,7,9, and/or 12 Sections.
Considering 01 4000 Quality Requirements bc that is where special inspections is located.
or...maybe Division 4 and just reference the other locations.
Thoughts? |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC
Senior Member
Username: redseca2
Post Number: 613
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 01:28 pm: | |
When I own DIVISION ONE, I have been migrating similar Sections to it for several years now, and would create a subset of 01 45 00 Quality Control. My (now old) CSI MasterFormat 2004 guide lists 01 45 26 - Plant Inspection Services. I might change that "26" to what day of the month I wrote the Section on an call it a day (highly scientific reasoning, carefully applied).
When the DIV ONE is by the client (not unusual in our Hospital and University centered practice), I would put it at the front of one of the Divisions you suggest. I still like to use "Common Standards for..." for those situations.
By the way, for many years I worked for a firm that always seemed to decide the only possible stone for a project came from Italy and would require selection at the Quarry by the Architect. Florence Hotel, Check. Rental Alfa Romeo, Check. Early Morning quarry walk at Carrara, Check! |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 112
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 01:34 pm: | |
I'm not sure about the Alfa Romeo, but yes, that's the idea!  |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 333
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 04:18 pm: | |
Just out of curiosity,
What's the most exotic junket you ever got as a spec writer to visit a supplier's factory or site?
Mine was to Kenosha, Wisconsin on a cold February day to hang 80 ft above ground on a scaffold to see how their screws installed in the field.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 113
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 04:21 pm: | |
Also in Wisconsin... Private Learjet, Boutique Hotel, Brewers Game....ohh and factory tour.
On second thought...NY City, Hotel, Glass Roof Dinner Cruise around the Statue of Liberty. |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 2130
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 04:39 pm: | |
Warroad, MN - 20 passenger plane from Waukesha, WI to Warroad (and back 2 days later) |
Wayne Yancey
Senior Member
Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 842
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2017 - 06:22 pm: | |
Three times to SMED INTERNATIONAL in Calgary AB Cehnehdeh.
1. Skiing
2. Day at the Spa and northern lights in the evening
3. Banff AB tour
SMED bacame DIRTT (DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME) |
David E Lorenzini
Senior Member
Username: deloren
Post Number: 179
Registered: 04-2000
| | Posted on Friday, October 27, 2017 - 09:35 am: | |
Brian, Your question seemed to be getting offtrack.
One of my clients provided me with a section they wanted inserted to establish procedures for aesthetic requirements for stone. It designated an unnamed "Owner's Consultant" to visit the quarries in Italy, Spain and Brazil, and make decisions that would optimize the quality of stone accepted.
The assigned title was: Section 044050 Stone Aesthetic.
David Lorenzini, FCSI, CCS
Architectural Resources Co. |
Greta Eckhardt
Senior Member
Username: gretaeckhardt
Post Number: 69
Registered: 08-2013
| | Posted on Friday, October 27, 2017 - 10:13 am: | |
I suggest Section 044013 - Stone Materials, where all the stone materials for the project would be identified and described, and assigned symbols like ST-1, ST-2, etc. The quality assurance for the stone materials, including trips to quarries, would be specified in this section along with the stone materials, which in my opinion is the correct place to specify this type of requirement. Then the sections specifying stone masonry, stone tile, stone countertops, etc. could simply use those symbols and cross-reference 044013. |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
Senior Member
Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1730
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 27, 2017 - 04:09 pm: | |
Private jet to a ceiling product factory. Not too exotic except for the jet. Upon return, our cars were waiting for us on the tarmac right next to the jet. That I could get used to. |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 329
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, October 30, 2017 - 10:53 am: | |
Brian,
I agree with Greta (again). Let's not make this more complicated than it needs to be. Whether you are selecting stone from a pile of samples at a local distributor or at the quarry in Italy, use the same place in your specifications.
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