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Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 87
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2017 - 04:22 pm: |    |
I have to say, I'm actually shocked that there isn't a Barrier Cable Section available through MasterSpec or BSD.
It's only responsible for making sure that cars/people don't plummet to their death.
There are code requirements, industry standards, best practices, but no spec? |
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman
Post Number: 1461
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2017 - 04:55 pm: | |
See Section 05 50 00 "Metal Fabrications."
Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
www.specsandcodes.com |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1768
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2017 - 05:23 pm: | |
Barrier Cable Systems, Inc. has a good spec section on their web site: http://barriercables.net/assets/barrier-cable-systems-specifications.pdf
I prepare this spec section in both Div. 3 and Div.5, in both 16 division and 48 division format. Brian I won't share my spec with you yet because I don't think it is very good, I think it needs work, yet its been used successfully in several jobs, and requested by fellow specifiers. |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 88
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2017 - 06:23 pm: | |
Using the following from MasterSpec would scare me.
WIRE ROPE PARKING GARAGE GUARDS
Wire Rope Parking Garage Guards: 3/4-inch- (19-mm-) diameter, zinc-coated steel wire ropes with wire rope fittings for securing to parking garage columns and walls and for tightening wire rope.
Looks like I'll be writing one myself soon as well. Maybe we can compare notes someday. |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 89
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2017 - 06:25 pm: | |
Thanks for the link as well. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1769
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 25, 2017 - 06:30 pm: | |
Brian, I am having a bad day, fighting allergies and not feeling well, if you provide me your email address, I'll forward you a PDF of my last issued spec section and you an take a look at it. All my work is in the private sector, so my specs don't follow strict requirements, they work. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1770
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 01:16 am: | |
Brian, this is an interesting read: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20140811190745-9631632-open-letter-to-architects-structural-engineers-on-barrier-cable |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 90
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 08:01 am: | |
It is! Actually that article was the inspiration for this thread. |
anon (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 11:34 am: | |
I've never seen a 5-Part specification before.
The performance criteria might be a little outdated, as i read the current IBC requirements.
Looks like a fair amount of work to be done to clean that section up into something usable. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1771
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 02:14 pm: | |
Anon, a good specifier should never copy word for word another specification, even if it is provided by a paid service. The links I provided are for information only. The specs I prepare are based on my experience, my database, and the specifics of the installation, including location. As an example I would never use a Cement Plaster specification from Masterspec in So Florida, it is not prepared for So Florida and the Cement Plaster installation will eventually fail, because cement plaster is applied differently in So Florida than anywhere else in the country. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1772
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 26, 2017 - 03:37 pm: | |
Since Brian brought this up, I have reached out to one of our local Barrier Cable Subcontractors, I have forwarded my standard spec section and they have promised to review it. I will report back on the results. They are currently bidding on one of my projects. For those who wish to reach out to them, ask for Lisa: http://barriercableconstructors.com/contact_us.html |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 103
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2017 - 12:07 pm: | |
Jerome...did you get any feedback? |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1804
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2017 - 12:15 pm: | |
Probably did, but that was 10 projects ago + a hurricane, you should not have waited so long to reach out, I don't have an answer for you Brian. |
Brian Payne, AIA
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 104
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Monday, October 02, 2017 - 12:20 pm: | |
Jerome...did you get any feedback? |
Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 377
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 - 11:53 am: | |
Hi Brian, as you are developing one you might find this useful in locating some standards and possible requirements: https://www.wbdg.org/FFC/DOD/UFGS/UFGS%2034%2071%2013.16.pdf |
Wayne Yancey
Senior Member
Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 837
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 - 11:56 am: | |
Brian,
Within the past 3 months I have created such a section, performance based.
Please e-mail me at wayne.yancey@crtkl.com for my creation. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, NCARB
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 1806
Registered: 05-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 - 01:43 pm: | |
Brian, the project I spoke to you about at the end of March went thru bidding, has a GC on board and construction has yet to start, the Architect has not received any comments regarding the Barrier Cable Railings. If I should receive any feedback, I will report here. |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 326
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 03, 2017 - 01:58 pm: | |
A barrier cable railing mounted on a rooftop can be put to double use as a strike termination device in a lightning protection system, eliminating the need for and cost of air terminals (lightning rods) and conductor cables around the perimeter of roof. This is based upon my interpretation of NFPA 780 and other lightning protection standards. Yet I have not seen this in practice. If you have seen this or have a project in which it might be useful, please contact me at michael at chusid dot com.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru 818-219-4937 |
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