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Author Message Don Harris CSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: don_harris Post Number: 259 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 03:45 pm:    Sorry, but I have to start this up again with a few actual notes a friend found on some drawings. Unfortunately, they are not typos. No. 1 THE CONTRACTOR SHALL PROVIDE CHASES FOR MECHANICAL, PLUMBING AND ELECTRICAL AS REQUIRED AND AS NECESSARY. SEE RESPECTIVE DRAWING SECTIONS. I guess they didn't show any on the drawings. Glad it's not a hospital job. What MF04 number does that drawing section come under? No. 2 THE DESIGN INTENT IS THAT THERE ARE NO DEAD END CORRIDORS IN THE BUILDING. IF IN THE LAYOUT OF THE WALLS THE CONTRACTOR DISCOVERS DISCREPANCIES OF A FEW INCHES RENDERING THE FINAL INSTALLATION UNACCEPTABLE TO AUTHORITIES HAVING JURISDICTION, SUBMIT ALTERNATE LAYOUT TO ARCHITECT FOR APPROVAL. REFER TO LIFE SAFETY DRAWINGS FOR ALLOWABLE DISTANCES. I always was taught that the Design Professional was responsible for code compliance. No. 3 ALL WORK SHALL BE PERFORMED WITH A HIGH STANDARD OF QUALITY. WHETHER STANDARD OF QUALITY IS SPECIFIED EXACTLY BY CONTRACT DOCUMENTS OR NOT, CONTRACTOR SHALL PERFORM ALL WORK EQUAL TO OR EXCEEDING THE STANDARDS SET BY EACH INDIVIDUAL TRADE ASSOCIATION. WORK SHALL BE PERFORMED BY SKILLED CRAFTSMEN ONLY. EACH TRADE WILL BE DETERMINED TO HAVE ACCEPTED THE QUALITY OF WORK OF OTHERS UPON WHICH HIS WORK MUST BE APPLIED UNLESS THE GC AND ARCHITECT IS INFORMED TO THE CONTRARY AT LEAST 24 HOURS BEFORE COMMENCING WORK. I love that the trade associations are brought into it. Whew!!! Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1480 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 04:08 pm:    Wow, nothing like abdicating all knowledge and responsibility for the project. I've started marking up drawings I see with comments like "...as required for what or by whom?" "...as necessary for what?" And who determines the "high standard of quality" anyway? The "Trade Association"? I wasn't aware that there was a "Trade Association" for every building element that would have established quality standards. That's just 1/2 step above "In a workman like manner" or "good workmanship"...and absolutely meaningless. "Whew" is right. And so is "deplorable". ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 240 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 04:26 pm:    So does this mean that we can blame the Trade Associations when the work isn't done properly? Can we require the Trade Associations to send people to police the project or to back us up when we reject the work? I'm surprised there was no mention that the entire project was to be delivered "at no additional expense to the Owner." Paul Gerber Senior Member Username: paulgerber Post Number: 122 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 11:10 pm:    Ken, do you put that clause in Division 1 right before or just after the "Patch and make good as required to the satisfaction of the Architect" (my Rosetta Stone translates "Architect" to "Consultant" in Canadian eh?) Ride it like you stole it!!! Justatim Senior Member Username: justatim Post Number: 37 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 08:46 am:    Clearly, the architect/specifier above is fully knowledgeable of each trade association and of its standards. Otherwise how would the Architect know whether or not the Contractor complied with the requirement? Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 49 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 08:30 pm:    For the last 24 hours, I've been puzzling over this addendum item that was issued the other day: "Item 6.01. SPECIFICATIONS SECTION 28 31 00 - FIRE DETECTION AND ALARM: PART 2: Products 2.6 Notification Appliances – Delete: Horns, Bells, and Chiles have been removed from section. Add: Voice/Tone Notification Appliances have been added." Just realized it's supposed to be "chimes," not "chiles." ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 244 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 09:14 am:    Liz, it's either that or the old Southern vernacular for children. Of course chimes makes more sense. Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 50 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 09:26 am:    Ken, around here, chiles are what we call chile peppers. I'm kind of a chile head, so it made me hungry, as well as confused. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 247 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 11:05 am:    Ah, there's the distinction. Chiles in Southern vernacular has a long i. I presume chile peppers has a long e. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1482 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:15 pm:    After a somewhat lengthy search in various dictionaries (all English), I could find no alternative definition for the word "chile" beyond the South American country or the pepper, and for that, the preferred spelling is "chili". So "chimes" is really a typo; not one quite as spectacular as using the wrong hand for a keystroke, but using the wrong finger is good enough. (for about 2 years when I was in college, I had to be alert to one of my recurring typos - "geep" for "keep" - and that's a wrong hand typo. And no, I have no explanation beyond my particular mental quirks) ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 249 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:29 pm:    I guess I'd be wary of believing everything you read, dictionaries or otherwise. I grew up hearing it every day, and that was in Washington, DC, not very far south of the Mason-Dixon Line but far enough I reckon. I presume that it started with dropping the d in child and proceeded from there. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1483 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:33 pm:    Ken, it does sound like it comes from Virginia. It always amazes me how "southern" Virginia is, when it really isn't geographically. Alan Mays, AIA Senior Member Username: amays Post Number: 87 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 02:40 pm:    Hey, I am originally from Texas and us Texans know our CHILI. Any good well spoken Texan would never go to a Chile Cooking Contest. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 250 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 03:06 pm:    Why not? Aren't Texans cannibals? Wait, what exactly is a 'good well spoken Texan'? Sorry, I couldn't help that. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 251 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 03:48 pm:    Reality Check: Do they call our first attempt at documents a 'draft' because they think we're full of hot air? J. Peter Jordan (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 03:42 pm:    Y'll be nice now; under the agreement by which the Union joined Texas, Texas has the right to split into five states. Y'all wouldn't want five Rick Perrys now, would ya'? Besides no one would ever give up the Alamo. Oh, and by my reckonin', it's I-10 that divides North from South, not that Yankee boundary between Maryland and Pennsylvania. Alan Mays, AIA Senior Member Username: amays Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:12 pm:    Oh Peter, I knew Snopes would have something on this one. http://www.snopes.com/history/american/texas.asp Ken, a good well spoken Texan, me! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 252 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:26 pm:    Alan, you've been in California so long I'm not sure you still qualify. Alan Mays, AIA Senior Member Username: amays Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:33 pm:    Them there are fighting words... I am on a mission to change California into part of Texas. I always liked the 49 star flag better. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1398 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:50 pm:    Chile is the Spanish spelling for a chili pepper (and for the country). John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1399 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 - 04:54 pm:    And then there's excellent "Voodoo Child" by Jimi Hendrix, which sounds more like Voodoo Chile when he sings it. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1610 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 12:10 pm:    From Wisconsin Commercial Building Code Refresher, Feb 2011: Health Care Facilities: "IBC 2009 s. 1107 .3 - In Group I-2 facilities, doors to sleeping units shall be exempted from the requirements for maneuvering clearance at the room side provided the odor is minimum of 44 inches in width" I don't want to be around for that odor... Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1611 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 03:15 pm:    And from the Florida Building Code 2005 Supplement: "Section 406.3.9 Change to read as shown: 406.3.9 Standpipes Sandpipers. Standpipes Sandpipers shall be installed where required by the provisions of Chapter 9." George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 655 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 04:40 pm:    Sounds like the Wisconsin code folks got tripped up by Microsoft Word's "Smell Checker" program. George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies St. Louis, MO Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1612 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, February 22, 2013 - 04:57 pm:    No, I think it's the Florida one that got taken by the checker, although sandpipers probably would be applicable in Florida. The Wisconsin one probably got missed altogether... Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Tuesday, March 26, 2013 - 06:05 pm:    "Girls and diffusers" Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1324 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 - 02:24 pm:    I have a colleague who now has as part of her signature line on her iPhone: "imaginative spellings and incorrect words courtesy of auto-correct"." Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Wednesday, March 27, 2013 - 07:16 pm:    Seen today on a value engineering log of an over-budget project: The CM planned to chase down pricing for a Juan Door in lieu of the specified NanaWall system. I suggested to the architect that if the CM is still chasing, he might want to look into a Won-Door. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 481 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 12:44 pm:    I used to work with a Korean Architect named Won Kim. Great guy. He was constantly getting mail addressed to Juan Kim, even by people who had met him and should have known better. Makes me wonder. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1621 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 12:46 pm:    Ken, If that's the only thing in this life that makes you wonder, you're leading a sheltered life. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 482 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 01:36 pm:    No, but I'd be willing to pay for one, preferably with a padded room. Seems like everywhere I look the lunatics are running the asylum. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 455 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 05:50 pm:    When I worked for HOK, maybe 25 years ago, I received a letter addressed to me at Hilmuts O'Bata and Rassabaum. Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 575 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 06:04 pm:    Like Anne, I couldn't even read through all of these without starting to laugh uncontrollably. When I first started in this business, (Eero Saarinen and Associates), they received a package addressed to "e.e. Rosarimen" After the firm changed its name to Kevin Roche John Dinkeloo and Associates, one of the "secretaries" at the time kept a notebook of all of the mispellings of the firms' name. It filled a 1" notebook. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1328 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 07:27 pm:    when I was at NBBJ -- back when it was actually Naramore Bain Brady and Johanssen -- there was a secretary who kept a scrap book of all the bad misspellings of that name. (and you know, none of those names are even as remotely difficult as Eero Saarinen.) There was one project manager named Mike Ossewaard who got a number of things addressed to "Mr. Asseward", and that actually fit his personality better. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 621 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 11:36 pm:    I once addressed correspondence to a person with the first name of Ezekiel. Spellcheck suggested Asexual. Actually, that fit him pretty well. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 622 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 11:39 pm:    I got a telephone call during the consruction phase of a project, from an owner's representative. The grading contractor was questioning a note on a grading site plan. The note said, "Grade to daylight." The question was, "Does this mean he has to work all night?" Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: nwoods Post Number: 529 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2013 - 11:59 pm:    ba dump bump! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 490 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, April 05, 2013 - 03:19 pm:    I know it's all the rage now, but this one caught me off guard. I just saw a spec with a Section called Equality Assurance. Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 636 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Friday, April 05, 2013 - 11:19 pm:    From the HR department, no doubt. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 493 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 09:05 am:    I had hoped that the intent was for e-Quality Assurance, incorporating electronic methods of tracking, etc. Turned out it really was just a typo. Robert E. Woodburn Senior Member Username: bob_woodburn Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2013 - 07:18 pm:    1. Does anyone know a source (other than SpecsIntact or a manufacturer) for a good master guide section for bridge cranes? It looks as if most guide spec systems stop at Division 33, and bridge cranes have been relocated to Division 41, Material Processing and Handling Equipment. 2. What would it take to get bridge cranes moved back to Division 14, Conveying Equipment? J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 563 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 10:17 am:    Robert, email me at jpjordan@jordanconsultants.com I have something that might be useful to you. J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 564 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 10:20 am:    Back to typos... I recently was looking at a site plan for a public school. Right out in front the Architect had located a "FLOGPOLE" (probably aluminum, about 30 feet tall, designed for 110 mph windspeed). Seems like corporal punishment is making a comeback. Robert E. Woodburn Senior Member Username: bob_woodburn Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 10:41 am:    Thanks, Peter. I meant to start a new thread on bridge cranes, but before i did, I ran a search, and this is the only thread I could find that mentioned them. Then I got involved in re-reading these typo posts, and forgot all about having to start a new thread...Sorry 'bout that. djwyatt (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Friday, May 17, 2013 - 04:32 pm:    I see the term "Thigh Curb" used a lot by a couple of engineers in Texas. Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEED® AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby Post Number: 194 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, May 20, 2013 - 01:57 pm:    “Thigh Curb”: does that refer to the raised sides of some bucket seats? On the other hand, if it is some type of clothing used by Engineers from Texas I am not sure I want to know more. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1648 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 03:25 pm:    Nothing to do with construction, but on the back of an appointment card given to remind one of their appointment, it is noted "Be sure to bring your...(2) signed 16-year-old (organization name withheld) parental/guardian consent form where state permits." I'd be quite suspicious of a 16-year-old form for anything! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 527 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, May 31, 2013 - 04:03 pm:    Oh, I don't know Lynn. I recently was given a guide spec that referenced a 1948 Standard issued by an organization that went out of business around 1960. Apparently this manufacturer was the only one that could meet the spec for obvious reasons. How's that for someone trying to force a proprietary spec? Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 590 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 11:47 am:    The following statement was found in an RFP document recieved by one of the PMs in my office: "The exported hardcopy shall be readable by a human being..." Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEED® AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby Post Number: 195 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 12:33 pm:    Does that mean that it must be at least a 10 point san serif font, written in plain English, and not written in "business speak" or legalese? Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 591 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 12:40 pm:    I really don't know where they get some of this stuuf! Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1654 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 12:55 pm:    as opposed to an alien - in response to the Roswell anniversary? John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 643 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 02:34 pm:    Isn't there a Universal Translator app for iPhones? It should emulate C3P0 from Star Wars, so we can understand what R2D2, Chewbacca and contractors' superintendants say. Or, maybe we shouldn't know what they really say. It boggles my mind to think what specs would be like if they were written in the dialect of the jobsite. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1655 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 02:41 pm:    Sometimes, some are written in dialect, or at lest it seems wo when local na,es for products are used instead of the proper name. "Blueboard" comes to mind immediately. Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 592 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 02:57 pm:    I had another one come up yesterday. The word "re-lite" We took it to mean "sidelight" In 25 years of doing doors & hardware, I never heard of "re-lite". Sounds like more job site jargon. As I said earlier, where do they come up with this stuff??? Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1656 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 03:27 pm:    You're not the only one confused by the term: http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/Autodesk-Revit-Architecture/Doors-and-relites-yet-another-question/td-p/2247527 Justatim Senior Member Username: justatim Post Number: 52 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 07:41 am:    I did a web search and found the word "relite" is used in the Pacific Northwest, OR, WA, and AK. A Portland-based home-plan company, Alan Mascord Design Associates, has this definition in its FAQ/Glossary: "Windows or translucent panels above doors or high in a partition wall intended to allow natural light to penetrate deeper into a building." John McGrann Senior Member Username: jmcgrann Post Number: 102 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 09:18 am:    I also searched and came across a comment within a TGP spec section that indicates "borrowed lights" are also called "relites." John T. McGrann, Jr., AIA, CSI, CCS, LEED AP Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 593 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 12:31 pm:    I found the following definitions on a door manufacturer's website: Borrowed Light Frame: A glazed opening in an interior wall that does not include a door. Sidelight: A door frame that also includes an attached glazed panel as part of the assembly. The following definitions are from the "Dictionary of Architecture and Construction", 4th Ed., by Cyril M. Harris: Borrowed Light: 1. A frame in an interior partition which is glazed, thereby permitting light from one interior space to fall into another. 2. The light which is transmitted through such glazing. Sidelight: A framed area of glass that does not open, (typically composed of a number of small fixed panes;) commonly one of a pair of such lights, set vertically on each side of a door. In 25 years of working with doors and hardware, I never heard the term "relite". I think I'll stick with the accepted construction terminology. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 595 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 12:42 pm:    Relite is uniquely PNW. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1515 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 12:46 pm:    At least blueboard always means veneer plaster base, and it is blue. Some terms are far more ambiguous. Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 12:57 pm:    Some people call extruded polystyrene insulation "blueboard." Not sure if they call it that when it's pink, or only when it's blue... Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 596 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 01:07 pm:    In Canada from the late 60s, Dow Styrofoam SM was referred to in conversation as DOW BLUE or STYROFOAM BLUE because it was the only game in town for a long time and blue in color. This ocurred long before all the creative names that Dow Chemical created in the last 10-15 years. Everthing was essentially Styrofoam SM in different densities. Dow Chemical in Fort Saskatchewan AB east of Edmonton made XPS in pink color for another party. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 549 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 02:32 pm:    Relite: What Paul and I have to do when our cigars go out. Let's see, if there is a perfectly good term that's accepted by the industry and I'm too lazy or obtuse to find out the right term and make one up, does that mean I can impose my arrogance on the rest of the world? Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1657 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 03:02 pm:    If you can get enough people to buy into your scheme, yes. Hasn't that been shown over and over again? It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. It doesn't matter what it costs. All that matters is if you can get enough people to believe what you say. Have you heard of "the Church of Scientology"? So, go ahead - make up terms and put them out there. You might be the next guru. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 551 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 03:43 pm:    Another reason to appreciate the title of Sheldon Kopp's book "If You Meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him". I have no problem with people who build a better mousetrap, just the ones who poison the waters for no reason other than personal gain or arrogance. Of course sometimes re-marketing can bring an unknown into public view which can benefit the general public. Obviously not the case with 'relite'. Tony Wolf, AIA, CCS, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: tony_wolf Post Number: 55 Registered: 11-2007 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 04:10 pm:    So, now that WE all will know what is meant by "relite," how do we un-know this? Yesterday, I had no idea what it is. Tomorrow, when a co-worker asks me what it is, should I tell him, or not? He'll just tell someone else, and so on, and so on..., until the basteds win! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 552 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, July 10, 2013 - 04:27 pm:    I advocate misdirection. Tell everyone that relite means to reglaze a sidelight or borrowed lite. Don't let the bastards win! Paul Gerber Senior Member Username: paulgerber Post Number: 161 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 11:07 am:    @Ken...mmmmmm...cigars! Lil over 2 months til CONSTRUCT!! :D Ride it like you stole it!!! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 553 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 11:21 am:    CONSTRUCT RULES! Hoping to see everyone that can make it. Much more fun to have these sessions in person, preferably over a beverage and, in some cases, a cigar. Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 655 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2013 - 02:35 pm:    Agreed. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1355 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 08:38 pm:    yes, "relite" is a PNW term. I had probably worked 20 years before I heard them referred to as "borrowed lights" or any other name. I was told that it came from "referred light" -- light that was transmitted into the interior of the space "referred" from somewhere else. There's probably a LEED point for that now. not long ago in a special advertising section of the paper was a review of a new apartment complex with "stainless steal" appliances throughout. (and throughout the article. shows the value of spell checking software) I bet they got a really good deal on the price.... Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1356 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 16, 2013 - 08:41 pm:    I just saw that I sent in the "stainless steal" appliances 2-1/2 years ago. apparently they STILL haven't hired a proof-reader. John McGrann Senior Member Username: jmcgrann Post Number: 104 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 08:12 am:    A home in my neighborhood is current advertised as having a "grate" room. Perhaps the function is for parental grilling of recalcitrant teenagers. John T. McGrann, Jr., AIA, CSI, CCS, LEED AP Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1663 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 09:48 am:    Or it's where you can hose down your kids, your animals, yourself after a rough night out or something. Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEED® AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby Post Number: 199 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 10:03 am:    Perhaps that is the room where children who "grate" on the parents nerves are sent. My parents used the surrounding neighborhood for that: my brothers and I were often sent out. We were not expected back except at meal times. djwyatt (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 11:59 am:    This is not a typo in the general spirit of this thread, but it is an example of some fairly astonishing writing and the product of misplaced risk aversion: "It is relatively impossible for the architect to know which manufactures [sic] a contractor is planning on using. In order to ensure that all of the finishes match each other and are complementary to the project [sic]. The architect may hold submittals longer than allowed for in the general conditions or other areas within the specifications, which require the selection of colors until all finish item submittals for a particular area are submitted to that architect. This is done so that all colors can be selected to provide a quality product for the owner." Is it just me, or is this as bad as I think it is? Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1664 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 - 04:40 pm:    It's just you! No, seriously, that's quite convoluted, confusing, and obfuscating, and that's without taking the grammatical errors into account. Eventually, you do get the idea, but not by reading the actual words! You get the idea by fumbling through and discovering the intent. And these people are a product of our educational system...sigh djwyatt (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 08:05 am:    Thank you, Lynn. The word of a Fellow of the Institute gives me the assurance I need. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1665 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 10:10 am:    Hah! Paul Gerber Senior Member Username: paulgerber Post Number: 163 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 11:07 am:    Gaining knowledge, making friends, engaging in meaningful conversation, being entertained and being reminded of words that you haven't used in a while...that's what makes the 4specs forum so great, without obfuscation! Ride it like you stole it!!! John McGrann Senior Member Username: jmcgrann Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 01:27 pm:    Part of my high school education involved some early exposure to print journalism. Although I gravitated towards the photo-journalism side of the room, I did receive a copy of this pamphlet. Perhaps a few of you have seen it, but if not . . . http://crippledcollie.com/wordpress/?p=4547 John T. McGrann, Jr., AIA, CSI, CCS, LEED AP Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1666 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 18, 2013 - 01:56 pm:    Thank you, John, for sharing that. It's inspiring. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1764 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 01:05 pm:    Here's a new typo - at least we think it's a typo. In the Commissioning Plan, there's an article titled "Commination Procedures". Go ahead, look it up; I'll wait. Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 130 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 01:11 pm:    Maybe spell checkers are "Divine Vengeance"? Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1765 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 01:12 pm:    I'm not sure I want that done to our building, though. Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 240 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 01:26 pm:    Lynn, that's wicked awesome! George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 716 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 02:17 pm:    I wonder if that is analogous to "Liquidated Damages"? Noah had that clause in his contract for the Ark. George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA Allegion PLC (formerly Ingersoll Rand) St. Louis, MO Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2014 - 04:58 pm:    Found 'mountain height' for 'mounting height' on food service drawings. Regional pronunciation strikes agin. Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 258 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Monday, November 24, 2014 - 11:12 am:    Let me preface this by saying that we have many wonderful clients who brighten our days, sometimes in unexpected ways: "This product appears to be a more affordable option that can more easily deal with building off of bowel shaped sloping floors." - Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 812 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, November 24, 2014 - 02:08 pm:    Ha! They must be kidneying! Bruce Konschuh Senior Member Username: brucek Post Number: 7 Registered: 08-2014 Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 02:33 pm:    My go to is lover (or even metal lover) instead of louver (1/3 of my projects get this) And what parking lot is ever complete without a stripping plan? (odd imagery indeed) And we had an admin at a past job that was typing up topics for a presentation, which included a Sight Plan (which is always needed when you think about it) Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 813 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 03:37 pm:    When I was in college I worked at a Montgomery Ward warehouse, in the area where electrical, heating, and plumbing products were stored. I received many orders for "defusers." Joe Edwards (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Monday, December 01, 2014 - 01:23 pm:    The best I have seen occurred while reviewing a set of specifications for a waste water treatment plant and finding out that there would be a baptismal font in the sludge processing building. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1936 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 01:54 pm:    Well, God is everywhere (grin) Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 553 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 07:17 pm:    Baptismal font? Is that a typeface used for the New Testament? Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 815 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 10:31 pm:    Joe, that's one of my favorite stories! http://bit.ly/1pZXn1p Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1937 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, December 05, 2014 - 09:52 am:    Dave, I love it - I'll have to put that in my church newsletter! Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 661 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 02:17 pm:    One of the pitfalls of using a spec from another project without review it, along with using auto-correct without reviewing the changes Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 04:22 pm:    Note on consultant drawings that referred to "MOUNTAIN HEIGHT" for where to place a wall-mounted item.