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Author Message David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1387 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 05:32 pm:    Has anyone specified a "time out" room for a school? Basically the term "time out room" is a euphemism for a padded cell. I need a specification. Thanks! David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP Specifications Consultant/Web Publisher www.localproductreps.com Liz O'Sullivan Senior Member Username: liz_osullivan Post Number: 172 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 06:03 pm:    This doesn't sound like the kind of school my kids go to. Colin Gilboy Senior Member Username: colin Post Number: 394 Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 06:17 pm:    We have one in the "transition building" used for children with Downs Syndrome and the like. It uses pads such as the ones by Padded Surfaces. More about the transition centers: http://www.homeschoolbuilding.org/Item.php3?id=10685 There is also an interesting sensory room for calming. Involves touch, sound and darker colors and low light level. http://www.sensoryconnectionprogram.com/sensory_room.php This was part of an Eagle Scout project to rebuild the room. Colin Gilboy Publisher, 4specs.com 435.200.5775 - Utah 800.369.8008 Anonymous (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 06:47 pm:    13 2400 - Special Activity Rooms (keep it politically correct to make the parents and administrators happy). I could also see an argument for 13 2100 - Controlled Environment Room (but I suspect that was not MasterFormat's intent with the section). Is the construction of the room any different aside from finishes? If not, I would probably just handle it in various finish sections. Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: nwoods Post Number: 622 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - 06:56 pm:    How do you specify a room? Are you just looking for a list of special features or items that go into such a space? Besides wall padding, you often have 1 way mirrored vision security glass (for impact resistance), card key door control on the inside (to exit out), 24hr camera surveillance, audio surveillance, a floor drain with tamper resistant screws, ceiling mounted HVAC diffusers with tamper resistant screws, hard lid ceilings, impact resistant drywall on the walls (even with the padding), and padded monolithic atheletic flooring similar to what is used in weight training rooms Scott Piper Senior Member Username: spiper Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2014 Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 09:25 am:    Do you need to lock the room to keep the child from causing harm to others in the classroom? The correct locking mechanism for each potential scenario is almost impossible to obtain because of the number of situations you might encounter. We have done such rooms in some special education facilities and the administration and teachers have to be very involved in these decisions because there are some considerable concessions that may need to be made. Such schools are not actually detention facilities. Therefore, code-wise, they should not have any Fail-Safe hardware. However sometimes you need to treat such rooms like detention facilities in order to protect the student or the other students in the area. It might very well be a violation of Life Safety Code but is it still warrants consideration due to the unique nature of such schools. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1948 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 09:58 am:    I've only done padded rooms in psychiatric facilities, but break-away hardware was essential to prevent either accidental or intentional hanging. Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 259 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 11:11 am:    I think you need to ask a lot more questions from the Owner or User Group. We've had recent requests for 'time-out' rooms as part of interior fit outs for office buildings. It's usually for high tech companies. I think of it as a private respite for employees to escape from the open office environment. In this case, it's more zen-like than psychiatric. With public buildings, especially police departments, room names are sometimes used as a euphemism for another purpose once the building is opened. - George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 783 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, January 28, 2015 - 03:09 pm:    This is one of the few times I would specify a magnetic lock. Avoid a design that requires a fire rated door, so it doesn't need to self-close and latch (although having a closer is usually preferred). Avoid hardware on the inside of the room. The door should swing out, so the hinges are outside the room, and so the unruly child can't hold the door closed, as would be possible on an in-swinging door. Use a pull on the outside of door, and omit the push plate on the inside – it will be hidden by the door padding anyway. The mag lock mounts on the outside on the head of the frame, and this mounting requires a special angle bracket to mount the armature on the door. If there is a closer, mount it on the outside as well. Power to the magnetic lock is controlled by a pushbutton that must be continuously held in by a teacher or staffer while the child is inside the room. This way, a child cannot be locked inside the room without staff present – that would be a clear violation of egress codes. In some instances, the pushbutton operation is controlled by a keyswitch operated by a teacher key only, to prevent a situation where one child could lock another in the room. I’ve only seen this done in projects where older children were present. Follow previous advice suggesting you get owner feedback. Also involve the AHJ to assure that your hardware setup is acceptable. Finally, obviously heavy duty hardware is a must. Contact one of my former colleagues at Allegion, or one of their comparable competitors. Stay away from the cheap hardware. Vivian Volz, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: vivianvolz Post Number: 149 Registered: 06-2004 Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2015 - 01:37 pm:    The VA has some good guidelines for such rooms in its behavioral health center design guides, I believe. I don't know what adjustment a school district will want for children, but starting from a very experienced agency's guides might help bring the right questions to the table. David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1388 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 06:05 pm:    The architect gave me a cut sheet from Gold Medal Safety Padding (http://goldmedalsafetypadding.com). I am going to see if I can develop a specification. I don't even know what section number or name to call it! It is my understanding that kids with emotional issues are put in this room when they become violently disruptive. I don't really know much more than that as far as the use of the room. I have seen them in several schools with special education classrooms. Though I have specified dozens of schools, I have never specified timeout rooms and always assumed that they were FF&E items. (After the Seattle Seahawks lost the Superbowl, I wish that I had one of these rooms to bounce around in and relieve my anger/frustration!) David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP Specifications Consultant/Web Publisher www.localproductreps.com Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1951 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 04, 2015 - 06:11 pm:    That's the same product I used when I did a psychiatric room; that was two firms ago (and 7 years), so I don't have the section. But maybe Isolation Room? Something under 13 2000? John Hunter Senior Member Username: johnhunter Post Number: 115 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Thursday, February 05, 2015 - 06:14 pm:    We used to specify that product in "safety cells" in police buildings. If memory serves, it was simply installed to all of the surfaces - floor, walls, door, etc. so we really treated it as a finish installed in the room rather than the room itself. It probably belongs in 11 7313 Psychiatric Seclusion Room Padding although that may be inappropriate for other reasons. Ken Moore, FCSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: kjmoore Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2006 Posted on Friday, April 17, 2015 - 02:24 pm:    About 10 + years ago I did seveal schools in Florida. The state requlired a "Time Out Room" in each class room. Padded wall, door and floor safety glass. Electrict releas on door, with control to be held in place to keep door locked, if release door was operable. See George Everding comments Phil Kabza Senior Member Username: phil_kabza Post Number: 556 Registered: 12-2002 Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 01:43 pm:    I suspect if you asked the architect's risk management consultant how to handle this, they would advise the architect to have the facility owner give them performance requirements for the components to go in this room, and having the owner review the selections and sign off on them. Given the higher than usual likelihood of occupant injury involved here, I think that would be more prudent than just making assumptions and choosing products. Michael Chusid Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 17 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Monday, April 20, 2015 - 02:14 pm:    Phil is on the right track. I suggest going a step further: Design the shell and let the owner provide fixtures, furnishings, and equipment (FFE) so liability rests with them. Remember -- the owner controls the training and supervision of the space, not the architect. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru